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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #100

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:44 am

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Eva Yojimbo wrote:My issue with Fury Road was only that it wasn't more than "pure exuberant fun" but that people were talking about it like it was some artistic masterpiece. I liked it just fine as a piece of pure action-entertainment. Though I do think BTTF is better as entertainment, if only because it actually has worthwhile characters, a sense of humor, and a gear other than 5th.


Uh, it is an artistic masterpiece, sir. And every minor character in Fury Road is more worthwhile than every character in the entire BTTF trilogy combined. Also, it has a blind guy who plays an electric guitar that throws flames, and I laughed when I saw it, so checkmark the sense of humor.
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BruceSmith78 wrote:I love the BTTF trilogy and the first two Terminators, but I think the best film I’ve seen involving time travel is 12 Monkeys.


I liked 12 Monkeys. I think Groundhog Dog also counts as a time travel movie, and it used the concept the best out of any movie I know.
Not sure if I'd call Groundhog Day's a time travel movie. It's probably the most original film I've seen where time is a plot element, though. Crazy to think that a movie basically invented a term that's now in common usage that we didn't have before.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #101

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:44 am

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Gendo wrote:Back to the Future is great; but Back to the Future 2 is better. Fight me.
I think all three films are about equal in overall quality but with different strengths and weaknesses. I think 1 is the most perfectly paced, written, and edited, but they don't do much with the 50s setting outside of the time-travel incest angle and Marty inventing rock and roll. 2's setting is the most interesting of the trilogy and they use it extremely well both in the story and just as a background setting. However, I barely even remember what 2's story is about... mostly Marty fighting with Biff after he steals an almanac or something? 3 is like an amalgam of 1's pacing and 2's setting but doesn't do either better than its predecessors, but it's setting is better than 1 and pacing/potting better than 2.
Basically, Marty had been planning on taking a sports alamanc from 2015 with him back to the past, but Doc talks him out of it and makes him throw it away...
I was semi-joking about not remembering the plot. TBH, I watched all three films so much as a kid I remember them all pretty well, though I do remember 2's plot the least. The stuff I remember most from 2 is just all the futuristic stuff. That backstory behind the film is interesting. Guess I never really considered Marty's new car at the end of 1 was any big deal or too materialistic since most all teenagers want cars.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #102

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:46 am

BruceSmith78 wrote:I love the BTTF trilogy and the first two Terminators, but I think the best film I’ve seen involving time travel is 12 Monkeys.
12 Monkeys is a "remake" of La Jetee, FWIW. I like 12 Monkeys too but I don't think it's in the same league as Terminators and BTTF.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #103

Postby Raxivace » Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:49 pm

I like 12 Monkeys but I kind of wish Gilliam had played up his own weird style with it more, especially when you compare it to how stylistically unique La Jetee is, to the point that that's probably the single greatest PowerPoint presentation ever made.

Eva Yojimbo wrote:I was semi-joking about not remembering the plot. TBH, I watched all three films so much as a kid I remember them all pretty well, though I do remember 2's plot the least. The stuff I remember most from 2 is just all the futuristic stuff. That backstory behind the film is interesting. Guess I never really considered Marty's new car at the end of 1 was any big deal or too materialistic since most all teenagers want cars.
I guess the one thing I would bring up about this then is the idea from that TSPDT quote you posted about BTTF1 being more of a satire or mockery of the 80's than the 50's. Something like Marty being "rewarded" with the new car he wants arguably plays more into accepting the Reaganite values of the period instead of satirizing them, even if other parts of the movie make a joke about Reagan and America of the 80's ("Ronald Reagan?! The actor?! Ha! Then who's Vice President? Jerry Lewis?").
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #104

Postby Gendo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:07 pm

4 of my favorite time travel movies haven't been mentioned yet.

Primer, Predestination, Triangle, and Butterfly Effect.

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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #105

Postby Raxivace » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:19 pm

I like Triangle well enough but thought Primer and Predestination were both absolutely terrible. Never saw Butterfly Effect.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #106

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:55 pm

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Eva Yojimbo wrote:I was semi-joking about not remembering the plot. TBH, I watched all three films so much as a kid I remember them all pretty well, though I do remember 2's plot the least. The stuff I remember most from 2 is just all the futuristic stuff. That backstory behind the film is interesting. Guess I never really considered Marty's new car at the end of 1 was any big deal or too materialistic since most all teenagers want cars.
I guess the one thing I would bring up about this then is the idea from that TSPDT quote you posted about BTTF1 being more of a satire or mockery of the 80's than the 50's. Something like Marty being "rewarded" with the new car he wants arguably plays more into accepting the Reaganite values of the period instead of satirizing them, even if other parts of the movie make a joke about Reagan and America of the 80's ("Ronald Reagan?! The actor?! Ha! Then who's Vice President? Jerry Lewis?").
I get the satirizing of Reaganite values in general, but I guess I just don't think a teenager wanting a car is indicative of those values. Kids want cars because they want freedom from their parents, not because they want lower taxes and an unrestricted free market so that they can become a John Galt.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #107

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:59 pm

Gendo wrote:4 of my favorite time travel movies haven't been mentioned yet.

Primer, Predestination, Triangle, and Butterfly Effect.
Haven't seen the middle two, but I thought Primer was awful and Butterfly Effect was extremely meh. Two good time travel films that haven't been mentioned are Edge of Tomorrow and Looper. Neither are masterpieces, but still solid, excellent films.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #108

Postby Gendo » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:34 pm

Really surprised that both of you dislike Primer; I'd have thought it was right in your wheelhouse.

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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #109

Postby Derived Absurdity » Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:28 pm

It's been a long time since I've seen either, but I thought Edge of Tomorrow had basically the exact same premise as Groundhog Day. Edge of Tomorrow just gives it a sci-fi explanation, while Groundhog Day gives no explanation. But they each go back in time a bunch, so I think they're time travel.

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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #110

Postby Raxivace » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:41 pm

Eva Yojimbo wrote:I get the satirizing of Reaganite values in general, but I guess I just don't think a teenager wanting a car is indicative of those values. Kids want cars because they want freedom from their parents, not because they want lower taxes and an unrestricted free market so that they can become a John Galt.
The car itself is recognition of the McFly family's higher economic standing now though, which only exists because of Marty's changing history. I'm not saying that makes him a Randian figure necessarily, but he did profit off of it quite heavily it seems.

That's just a single way to read that ending that I'm advocating anyways. I think it can also be read as freedom from his family- particularly his father. Now that I think about it, George himself is associated just as heavily with cars in that film (Wrecking the car in the beginning, getting in a car accident in 1955, pulling Biff out of a parked car etc.) as like, Doc is with the DeLorean (I guess Doc is kind of a father figure to Marty too).

Look Back to the Future is actually the story a father and stepfather vying for a son's attention by buying him new vehicles.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #111

Postby Raxivace » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:57 pm

Eva Yojimbo wrote:Two good time travel films that haven't been mentioned are Edge of Tomorrow and Looper. Neither are masterpieces, but still solid, excellent films.
I really liked both of these. Edge of Tomorrow is maybe the only good live action manga adaptation that Hollywood has ever done.

Time travel and time loop shenanigans are pretty popular in anime too btw. Steins;Gate for example I think does Primer better than Primer does, stuff like Higurashi and Re:Zero both involve variations on loops, and of course there's the infamous Endless Eight arc of Haruhi Suzumiya. And plenty of visual novels use time loop/time travel shenanigans (Well I guess Steins;Gate is an adaptation of a VN anyways too).

Gendo wrote:Really surprised that both of you dislike Primer; I'd have thought it was right in your wheelhouse.
I can't speak for Jimbo, but I just find the character dynamics to fall completely flat in Primer and the production elements I think are just genuinely bad.

Like I'm generally into these low budget high concept movies like that but even then Primer just doesn't work for me. Upstream Color is mostly better across the board though IMO.

Carruth is also going to be retiring from filmmaking after he finishes his third film it seems, and while I don't think the dude is an idiot it sounds like he had pretty unrealistic expectations about what would being in Hollywood would be like.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #112

Postby Raxivace » Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:59 pm

Derived Absurdity wrote:It's been a long time since I've seen either, but I thought Edge of Tomorrow had basically the exact same premise as Groundhog Day. Edge of Tomorrow just gives it a sci-fi explanation, while Groundhog Day gives no explanation. But they each go back in time a bunch, so I think they're time travel.
Well Edge of Tomorrow is also tied to the action genre too, while Groundhog Day is almost solely about Murray having to get over himself.

That's also there to an extent in Edge with Cruise's character starting out as a shithead, but I wouldn't call it the main focus of that movie.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #113

Postby BruceSmith78 » Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:20 am

I liked Looper too, but I liked 12 Monkeys more. I’ve never heard of La Jetee. I’m way out of my league in film discussions around here.

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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #114

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:23 pm

Gendo wrote:Really surprised that both of you dislike Primer; I'd have thought it was right in your wheelhouse.
It looks as cheaply as it was made. I also don't think it has anything going for it other than the convoluted plot. It's probably a film I would've liked as a kid as I liked approaching some films like puzzles to figure out, but these days if I want to solve puzzles I'll do sudokus or video games, and if a film wants me to figure it out it better give me something more than just the puzzle to hook me with. All that said, like Raxi mentioned, Caruth's Upstream Color was superb and a vast improvement over Primer.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #115

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:24 pm

Derived Absurdity wrote:It's been a long time since I've seen either, but I thought Edge of Tomorrow had basically the exact same premise as Groundhog Day. Edge of Tomorrow just gives it a sci-fi explanation, while Groundhog Day gives no explanation. But they each go back in time a bunch, so I think they're time travel.
Actually you make a great point, and it's rather curious why I immediately dismissed Groundhog's Day as being a time travel film but thought of The Day After Tomorrow as being one... maybe it's because the latter is sci-fi?
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #116

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:29 pm

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Eva Yojimbo wrote:I get the satirizing of Reaganite values in general, but I guess I just don't think a teenager wanting a car is indicative of those values. Kids want cars because they want freedom from their parents, not because they want lower taxes and an unrestricted free market so that they can become a John Galt.
The car itself is recognition of the McFly family's higher economic standing now though, which only exists because of Marty's changing history. I'm not saying that makes him a Randian figure necessarily, but he did profit off of it quite heavily it seems.

That's just a single way to read that ending that I'm advocating anyways. I think it can also be read as freedom from his family- particularly his father. Now that I think about it, George himself is associated just as heavily with cars in that film (Wrecking the car in the beginning, getting in a car accident in 1955, pulling Biff out of a parked car etc.) as like, Doc is with the DeLorean (I guess Doc is kind of a father figure to Marty too).

Look Back to the Future is actually the story a father and stepfather vying for a son's attention by buying him new vehicles.
I was only objecting to the notion that he was a Randian figure for wanting a car/truck, but no doubt that his actions gave his family a higher economic standard. If anything, it's more like BTTF2 was commenting on itself by making BTTF1's ending look like what he did was necessarily a positive thing. Or maybe BTTF2 is more of a cautionary tale about where that kind of outlook can lead if you don't have any morals/scruples (I mean, it's worth pointing out that Doc DOES convince Marty not to take the almanac).

LOL @ the last paragraph.

Raxivace wrote:Time travel and time loop shenanigans are pretty popular in anime too btw. Steins;Gate for example I think does Primer better than Primer does, stuff like Higurashi and Re:Zero both involve variations on loops, and of course there's the infamous Endless Eight arc of Haruhi Suzumiya. And plenty of visual novels use time loop/time travel shenanigans (Well I guess Steins;Gate is an adaptation of a VN anyways too).
"Primer better than Primer" definitely sounds interesting. I remember the controversy over HS's Endless Eight Arc on EGF when it came out.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #117

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:31 pm

BruceSmith78 wrote: I’m way out of my league in film discussions around here.
Nah. Just watch movies and tell us what you think. No need to get all pretentious in reading/analyzing them like Rax. [blah]
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #118

Postby Gendo » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:06 pm

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BruceSmith78 wrote: I’m way out of my league in film discussions around here.
Nah. Just watch movies and tell us what you think. No need to get all pretentious in reading/analyzing them like Rax. [blah]


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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #119

Postby Raxivace » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:15 pm

Eva Yojimbo wrote:
BruceSmith78 wrote: I’m way out of my league in film discussions around here.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #120

Postby Raxivace » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:25 pm

Eva Yojimbo wrote:I was only objecting to the notion that he was a Randian figure for wanting a car/truck, but no doubt that his actions gave his family a higher economic standard. If anything, it's more like BTTF2 was commenting on itself by making BTTF1's ending look like what he did was necessarily a positive thing. Or maybe BTTF2 is more of a cautionary tale about where that kind of outlook can lead if you don't have any morals/scruples (I mean, it's worth pointing out that Doc DOES convince Marty not to take the almanac).
Yeah its not wanting the car/truck that's the point of criticism, but more a question about how Marty gets it. But yeah I generally agree with what you're saying on BTTF2.

There are probably other ways to interpret the Marty/Biff parallels throughout the movies too. I'm still not sure where BTTF3 fits into all of this.

"Primer better than Primer" definitely sounds interesting. I remember the controversy over HS's Endless Eight Arc on EGF when it came out.
I'd probably recommend the original Steins;Gate VN over the anime FWIW but the anime is still very good in its own right and a very strong streamlined version of that story. It's not as complicated or confusing as Primer when it comes to time travel nonsense but it has the same "We accidentally invented time travel while doing something comparatively mundane" aspect as that movie and the character writing is just generally stronger IMO.

HS's Endless Eight arc is probably the ballsiest take I've seen on a time loop story if only because "Lol let's redo the same episode from scratch literally 8 times in a row" is a thing I've just flatout never seen any other show do before. The chapter from the light novels its based on is only like 20 pages too, which made the "Holy shit they're really committing to eight episodes of this?" realization all the more strong back in like 2009 or whatever when it was first airing.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #121

Postby Derived Absurdity » Thu Jul 23, 2020 9:19 pm

Have either of you ever seen The Good Place? It has time warps and time reversals and shit that sound somewhat similar to Endless Eight. The first episode of the second season IIRC just flat-out erases all the events of the entire first season completely and throws the entire premise of it in the trash to start new. It was pretty cool.

Anyway -

Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)- This movie took a while to be cemented as a classic. I guess I can see why people didn't love it much at first. It's interesting that a lot of people think of this movie as visually colorful and bright and delightful, but the only scene like that is the chocolate room; everything before the factory has a realistic documentary-like feel, and the rest of the factory is kind of visually bland and industrial, with the exception of the tunnel scene, which is dark and horrific. There's also an interesting contrast between the extremely dry, cynical, sarcastic, understated, British sense of humor it has and its reputation as a whimsical and wholesome childrens' movie. I think Willy Wonka is more overtly and straightforwardly sinister and malicious here and less enigmatic and than many people remember; he's sarcastic and belittling towards them the very first second he meets them. There's not a lot of mystery about what he thinks or what he's doing. The only real mystery throughout is if he's actually authentically evil, which the movie definitively answers at the end. I think it was funny that the movie showed that everyone in the entire world was for some reason obsessed with Wonka bars and thought of Willy Wonka as some kind of god, and yet somehow the golden tickets ended up with seemingly the only four people in the entire world who didn't like him. I don't know about anyone else, but going from everyone worshipping Wonka in the first half of the movie to all the adults (and kids) being relentlessly condescending and hostile to him in the second half of the movie was a strange feeling. I know they're all bad, but still.

I feel like a lot of kids seeing this for the first time would be let down by the actual factory after so much build-up and suspense. I mean, it's not that great. It's sort of weird and kooky in an artificial funhouse kind of way, but nothing all that spectacular besides the chocolate room, and most of the visitors are downers and Wonka is vaguely creepy, which I am aware is the point. The chocolate river itself looks like diarrhea. I'm just saying I get why it took people so long to warm up to this movie.

People make jokes about how terrible Grandpa Joe, but, wow, he legitimately sucks. Like he is actually the villain. He's the antagonist more than Wonka or Slugworth is, in that he represents what the movie is arguing against. He's the one that persuades Charlie to drink the fizzy drink, and he tries to persuade Charlie to sell the Everlasting Gobstopper to Slugworth at the end, which would have ruined everything if Charlie had listened to him. And literally his very last words in the movie were "And what about me?" Lol. The absolute worst.

Anyway, I categorically reject this movie's moral. Charlie was shown to be the deserving one by deciding not to sell Wonka's Gobstopper to Slughworth, showing that he's humble and contrite and accepting of consequences and above seeking revenge even when given the opportunity and motive to do so. Yet I would have sold that shit immediately. Ten thousand dollars when your entire family is on the brink of destitution? Um, yeah. Respecting the intellectual property rights of some weird carnival barker child-murdering capitalist, or feeding my hard-working destitute single mother? Hmmm, not a hard choice, for me. Charlie's the type of guy who would have told the Nazis where the Jews in his house were just because he's too noble to lie, and Hitler would have given him the keys to Germany. Me, I'm against Nazis. And yet I'm the bad guy here and Charlie's so much better than me? Fuck that.

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) - I don't think this one is very good, but I enjoy watching it. It's stuffy and lifeless and uncomfortable and unfunny and Johnny Depp's Wonka is one of the biggest movie misfires of all time. The backstory subplot was obviously quite lame and dumb. It's kind of bad, but for some reason I don't dislike it. I think Tim Burton's airless and airbrushed and and kitschy and plastic style actually works for this movie in a way that it doesn't anywhere else. Every single one of the kids was much better, except maybe Charlie, but I don't think anyone cares much about Charlie either way so it's fine. There were a few small things the movie did right - giving Grandpa Joe a connection to the factory to justify Charlie taking him instead of his mother, the modern updating of Mike Teevee, making the chocolate river actually look like chocolate instead of sewer waste, and making all the kids worse. I kind of liked the ending showing the kids actually making it out alive, as opposed to the 1971 version where we assume they're all literally dead. Where if anyone deserves to die, it's their guardians. Violet Beauregarde in both versions here is far and away the best character and is quite obviously the correct choice for Wonka's replacement.

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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #122

Postby Raxivace » Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:59 pm

Derived Absurdity wrote:Have either of you ever seen The Good Place? It has time warps and time reversals and shit that sound somewhat similar to Endless Eight. The first episode of the second season IIRC just flat-out erases all the events of the entire first season completely and throws the entire premise of it in the trash to start new. It was pretty cool.
Haven't seen it. What you're describing kind of sounds like the internal reboots that I'm told American comic books have done over the years, though its interesting to hear that a regular TV show did something like that.

As far as Willie Wonka goes I would have to watch it again, I don't think I've seen it since I was 12.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #123

Postby Gendo » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:23 am

Also Deep Roy made the new one entertaining enough.

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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #124

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Sat Jul 25, 2020 3:58 pm

Raxivace wrote:
Eva Yojimbo wrote:
BruceSmith78 wrote: I’m way out of my league in film discussions around here.
Nah. Just watch movies and tell us what you think. No need to get all pretentious in reading/analyzing them like Rax. [blah]


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"Primer better than Primer" definitely sounds interesting. I remember the controversy over HS's Endless Eight Arc on EGF when it came out.
I'd probably recommend the original Steins;Gate VN over the anime FWIW but the anime is still very good in its own right and a very strong streamlined version of that story. It's not as complicated or confusing as Primer when it comes to time travel nonsense but it has the same "We accidentally invented time travel while doing something comparatively mundane" aspect as that movie and the character writing is just generally stronger IMO.

HS's Endless Eight arc is probably the ballsiest take I've seen on a time loop story if only because "Lol let's redo the same episode from scratch literally 8 times in a row" is a thing I've just flatout never seen any other show do before. The chapter from the light novels its based on is only like 20 pages too, which made the "Holy shit they're really committing to eight episodes of this?" realization all the more strong back in like 2009 or whatever when it was first airing.
VN? Video novel? Or something else? Still sounds pretty interesting.

Yeah, I remember when EE came out and how even then I thought it sounded really audacious/ballsy. If I ever get back into anime, HS is a show that would be high on my priority list in general.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #125

Postby Raxivace » Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:51 pm

Eva Yojimbo wrote:Who am I kidding? I suck at parrying. Might as well offer my back to you now. :(
I never bothered learning to parry because tbh it just seemed like it would make that game too easy. It's not like you really need to do it anyways to just destroy dudes.

VN? Video novel? Or something else? Still sounds pretty interesting.
Visual novel.

Yeah, I remember when EE came out and how even then I thought it sounded really audacious/ballsy. If I ever get back into anime, HS is a show that would be high on my priority list in general.
Yeah I'd love to know what you think of it if you ever get around to watching it.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #126

Postby Raxivace » Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:08 pm

Uh speaking of Shane Carruth... (The bottom right hand of the picture).

Why on Earth would you intentionally tweet out something like that?
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #127

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:13 pm

Raxivace wrote:
Eva Yojimbo wrote:Who am I kidding? I suck at parrying. Might as well offer my back to you now. :(
I never bothered learning to parry because tbh it just seemed like it would make that game too easy. It's not like you really need to do it anyways to just destroy dudes.
I tried doing it early on when I was soul grinding in Undead Burg, but even with constant practice I could only time it right maybe 75%-80% of the time. Seems like backstabs were much easier actually.

Raxivace wrote:Uh speaking of Shane Carruth... (The bottom right hand of the picture).

Why on Earth would you intentionally tweet out something like that?
I'm sure he did it without realizing that restraining order was in the shot. TBH it took me a minute to realize it was there myself.
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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #128

Postby Derived Absurdity » Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:27 am

Secretary (2002) - A movie depicting an D/s relationship between a typist and her boss. It's known informally as the original and superior version of Fifty Shades of Grey. It's cute. Nothing special. It was probably considered edgy when it first came out. It started off awkward and rocky. Her boss seemed to have some kind of sixth sense, because he seemed to immediately realize that being sexually dominated was what she was into, before he even got to know her at all. He was a domineering jerk from the very first second he met her, before she even the chance to give off any signs that she was into that shit. That was weird to me. This movie is contrasted with Fifty Shades for supposedly depicting a D/s relationship that is healthy and positive, and yet even apart from the rocky start, I don't think any sexual relationship between a boss and their subordinate could be 100% healthy. And this movie gave evidence of that, because her boss eventually fired her and threw her out on the street because he was disgusted by his own desires. You see, that's why you don't get involved with your boss.

Hot Summer Nights (2017) - This movie was oddly empty and lifeless. It was filled to the brim with virtually every single dumb cliche you could possibly imagine. It was basically a pastiche of several dozen other, better movies.

Being John Malkovich (1999) - Yeah, it was clever and creative. But I can't remember a movie ever making me feel so fucking shitty. This was the most horrible, nihilistic, depressing, empty, bleak, soul-crushing movie I have ever seen. Every single character - literally every single one - was a complete sociopath. A toxic worthless gangrenous wound of a human being. For an empath this movie must be extremely unpleasant to sit through. There isn't a tiny, minuscule shred of decency or soul or heart or empathy in the entire thing. I'm almost impressed. I've never seen a mainstream movie as deeply, profoundly heartless and nasty as this one.

And it was indeed clever and creative, like I said, but not profound or brilliant by any stretch. There were three moments in it that were genuinely funny.

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (2004) - I kind of think I was convinced of this movie's timeless greatness for a few years by the critics, because I have to say it's not really all that. It's definitely very good. Creative, clever, imaginative, well-made. Very surreal and wacky. But it's not intellectually or existentially profound or psychologically complex or deep, or even emotionally moving, maybe because I found Clementine so unlikable and grating. I also felt the ending bordered on nihilistic, which I'm not sure was intended. Just watched it for the first time in years and was a bit underwhelmed.

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Re: 2020 stuff   Reply #129

Postby Gendo » Thu Aug 13, 2020 4:05 am

Kaufman has a new one coming soon; looking forward to it.


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