Have either of you ever seen The Good Place? It has time warps and time reversals and shit that sound somewhat similar to Endless Eight. The first episode of the second season IIRC just flat-out erases all the events of the entire first season completely and throws the entire premise of it in the trash to start new. It was pretty cool.
Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)- This movie took a while to be cemented as a classic. I guess I can see why people didn't love it much at first. It's interesting that a lot of people think of this movie as visually colorful and bright and delightful, but the only scene like that is the chocolate room; everything before the factory has a realistic documentary-like feel, and the rest of the factory is kind of visually bland and industrial, with the exception of the tunnel scene, which is dark and horrific. There's also an interesting contrast between the extremely dry, cynical, sarcastic, understated, British sense of humor it has and its reputation as a whimsical and wholesome childrens' movie. I think Willy Wonka is more overtly and straightforwardly sinister and malicious here and less enigmatic and than many people remember; he's sarcastic and belittling towards them the very first second he meets them. There's not a lot of mystery about what he thinks or what he's doing. The only real mystery throughout is if he's actually authentically evil, which the movie definitively answers at the end. I think it was funny that the movie showed that everyone in the entire world was for some reason obsessed with Wonka bars and thought of Willy Wonka as some kind of god, and yet somehow the golden tickets ended up with seemingly the only four people in the entire world who didn't like him. I don't know about anyone else, but going from everyone worshipping Wonka in the first half of the movie to all the adults (and kids) being relentlessly condescending and hostile to him in the second half of the movie was a strange feeling. I know they're all bad, but still.
I feel like a lot of kids seeing this for the first time would be let down by the actual factory after so much build-up and suspense. I mean, it's not that great. It's sort of weird and kooky in an artificial funhouse kind of way, but nothing all that spectacular besides the chocolate room, and most of the visitors are downers and Wonka is vaguely creepy, which I am aware is the point. The chocolate river itself looks like diarrhea. I'm just saying I get why it took people so long to warm up to this movie.
People make jokes about how terrible Grandpa Joe, but, wow, he legitimately sucks. Like he is actually the villain. He's the antagonist more than Wonka or Slugworth is, in that he represents what the movie is arguing against. He's the one that persuades Charlie to drink the fizzy drink, and he tries to persuade Charlie to sell the Everlasting Gobstopper to Slugworth at the end, which would have ruined everything if Charlie had listened to him. And literally his very last words in the movie were "And what about me?" Lol. The absolute worst.
Anyway, I categorically reject this movie's moral. Charlie was shown to be the deserving one by deciding not to sell Wonka's Gobstopper to Slughworth, showing that he's humble and contrite and accepting of consequences and above seeking revenge even when given the opportunity and motive to do so. Yet I would have sold that shit immediately. Ten thousand dollars when your entire family is on the brink of destitution? Um, yeah. Respecting the intellectual property rights of some weird carnival barker child-murdering capitalist, or feeding my hard-working destitute single mother? Hmmm, not a hard choice, for me. Charlie's the type of guy who would have told the Nazis where the Jews in his house were just because he's too noble to lie, and Hitler would have given him the keys to Germany. Me, I'm against Nazis. And yet I'm the bad guy here and Charlie's so much better than me? Fuck that.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005) - I don't think this one is very good, but I enjoy watching it. It's stuffy and lifeless and uncomfortable and unfunny and Johnny Depp's Wonka is one of the biggest movie misfires of all time. The backstory subplot was obviously quite lame and dumb. It's kind of bad, but for some reason I don't dislike it. I think Tim Burton's airless and airbrushed and and kitschy and plastic style actually works for this movie in a way that it doesn't anywhere else. Every single one of the kids was much better, except maybe Charlie, but I don't think anyone cares much about Charlie either way so it's fine. There were a few small things the movie did right - giving Grandpa Joe a connection to the factory to justify Charlie taking him instead of his mother, the modern updating of Mike Teevee, making the chocolate river actually look like chocolate instead of sewer waste, and making all the kids worse. I kind of liked the ending showing the kids actually making it out alive, as opposed to the 1971 version where we assume they're all literally dead. Where if anyone deserves to die, it's their guardians. Violet Beauregarde in both versions here is far and away the best character and is quite obviously the correct choice for Wonka's replacement.