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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #300

Postby Raxivace » Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:17 pm

Eva Yojimbo wrote:Just a quick update, I did get some Souls time in tonight. Went to the New Londo Ruins and beat The Four Kings. Pretty interesting section despite its brevity. On the one hand, it seems like a strangely sparse and hastily done level, as if the developers didn't have more time to build it out into something more so there's just a ton of vast, empty space. Yet, in a weird way, it really works as it ended up being one of the most atmospheric sections of an atmospheric game. Specifically, I liked how the vast emptiness of the entrance transitions into the claustrophobic interiors and corridors of the building. The ghosts weren't particularly difficult, but it was an interesting new challenge having to fight enemies coming-and-going through walls, ceilings and floors. The Darkwraiths near the end were a bit more of a challenge but still pretty straight-forward (I ended up finding it pretty easy to just circle and back-stab them).

The Four Kings boss seemed to mimic the vast emptiness design of the Ruins, as fighting in pitch blackness was fascinating! I died the first time trying to fight him normally, (got swarmed when the others showed up), but the second time I just 2-handed tanked the thing and healed between each battle.

Now I think I'm going to Darkroot Basin for the next section, but it's been so long since I played the game it took me some time to just research/remember how to get there!

Yeah with the Four Kings I usually just put on what the heaviest armor I have is (Often the Stone Armor you can find pretty easily in the forest, though the Havel set you can get from Anor Londo is good too) and just tank those guys.

BTW are you aware of how to eventually access the DLC?
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #301

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:53 pm

Well, no DS today because I guess I took a little too much of my MJ-meds (still trying to work out the best dose/combination) and got a little too loopy to game... although maybe playing games high is something I should try some time. Would probably be better to start with a "happier" game than DS, though.

Don't you access the DLC through the back-end of that first Hydra lair?

Anyway, I realized the guide I saw just suggested getting to Valley of the Drakes that way, which I probably could've just done from New Londo Ruins given I noticed it opened to an area with dragons (which I assume is the same place).
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #302

Postby Raxivace » Wed Jan 08, 2020 10:12 pm

It's a shame that you can't download P.T. anymore, because I would have told you to try that on your drugs for ultimate spookiness.

Eva Yojimbo wrote:Don't you access the DLC through the back-end of that first Hydra lair?
Sort of. There are a few involved steps.

-Go to Darkroot Basin, beyond the waterfall will be a cave with a Golden Golem. Kill this to free Dusk of Oolacile.*
-Go to Duke's Archives, head up the elevator and kill the Crystal Golem for a Broken Pendant.
-Head back to where you freed Dusk of Oolacile in Darkroot Basin. Examine the strange purple cloud.
-From here, you will be teleported to Sanctuary Garden.

*BTW near where you killed the Hydra, and before you examine the "strange purple cloud" IIRC, there should be a summon sign for Dusk. I think she sells you some stuff.

I stole that from a guide online. The one thing I'd add is that if the purple cloud isn't there in step 3, you might have to just quit, and reload your game.

What tends to throw people off though is getting the Broken Pendant from Duke's. How anyone was expected to know that I'm still not sure about, though I feel that way about a fair amount of things in Dark Souls.

Anyway, I realized the guide I saw just suggested getting to Valley of the Drakes that way, which I probably could've just done from New Londo Ruins given I noticed it opened to an area with dragons (which I assume is the same place).
Yeah that's basically a huge shortcut into Valley of Drakes.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #303

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:40 pm

^ Yeah, I killed the Golden Golem and freed DoO back when I first beat the Hydra, but I don't remember I picked up the Broken Pendant from Duke's Archives (I'll have to check my inventory). I'm pretty sure I went there after the Hydra so I probably did.

On the one hand I really love the minimalist vibe of the game, and I'm sure that it fosters a great sense of pride in people who figure it out for themselves after a while of not knowing where the hell to go or what to do, and it's probably one thing that's help generate such a huge online fandom around the game; but, on the other hand, this is probably one of those games that I would've quit had I not played it in the age where easy access to internet guides were a thing. I still try to consult them as little as possible so as to not spoil much, but I think there's a middle ground between being completely lost/confused and spoiling everything, like just knowing the basics of where to go next. Plus, there's too many games out there to play to waste too much time trying to just figure out what to do next.

Anyway, I'm not even sure why that guide wanted me to go to the Valley of the Drakes since all I did was kill some drakes and that sleeping dragon. Damn sleeping dragon cost me all my souls/humanity, though, as I died the first time, and then as I was rushing back to Valley of the Drakes I fell down the goddamn elevator shaft after forgetting I had to pull the lever because it was already at the bottom. :| I think the guide wanted me to open that shortcut back to the beginning of New Londo Ruins, but since I had the master key I'd done that way earlier anyway.

After that I made it to the Demon Ruins, which is the first NEW part of the game I've seen in a long while (again, would've had no idea to even go there were it not for a guide; how did I miss this place my first time through Queelaag's Lair?). Fought Ceaseless Discharge, and because that fight was long and rather dull I just called it a night. Looked up later that apparently it's possible to just run him off a cliff if you head back to the fog gate. Wish I'd known that going into it!
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #304

Postby Raxivace » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:19 pm

Yeah, the first time I played Dark Souls I was really frustrated by that aimlessness. I do think its a point in the game's favor that once you know what to do its still fun to just pick up and run, but I wish that first playthrough was a little more guided in the way that, say, the older classic Resident Evil games were (Or uh, "neoclassical" Resident Evil games like RE7 or RE2 Remake are).

I do think its interesting that people seem to like the obscurity in Dark Souls, but still get mad at, say, Castlevania II: Simon's Quest's similar kind of goofy progression.

The only thing of note in Valley of Drakes that I can think of that this guide might have wanted you to get is the Red Tearstone Ring, though its not an essential item (Though it can help make some setups hilariously OP).

LOL, I've done the asme thing with the elevator.

I think I've only fought Ceaseless the "legit" way once or twice. I can't remember if I knew the "lol" way the first time I've played, but most times I just do that and knock him right off.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #305

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:53 pm

Well today was basically a clusterfuck. No time for gaming or much of anything as I woke up to the emergency of my parents' DVR randomly deleting recorded shows. After hours on the phone with customer service, they couldn't help and just said they'd send another one. This basically means I'm going to have to watch the weekend's playoff games live (about 7 hours both friggin' days) because I can't record them. Didn't help I woke up late anyway after not getting much sleep and now I'm tired af, but really need to try to stay up to get on a better schedule to watch the games. [sigh]

Anyway, yeah, I can see criticizing Dark Souls for being a bit too obscure, but I can also see how that's more acceptable in a modern age where so many people game and have a platform to help others by posting guides and videos. Back in the days of Simon's Quest if you got stuck you didn't have many (perhaps any, depending on your age and location) recourse to solve it. Even physical game guides weren't common in those days.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #306

Postby Raxivace » Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:15 am

Jimbo, I'd like to think God is punishing you for not having beaten Dark Souls already.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #307

Postby Raxivace » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:33 pm

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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #308

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:16 pm

I don't care to watch the trailer as I'll be buying (eventually) regardless.

Hope I can get back to Souls today. It's been a rough couple of days trying to adjust to a new schedule I had to get on with one day's notice. Not helping that somehow I really hurt my lower back yesterday and am having trouble moving around.

BTW raxi, I was thinking of playing Nier: Automata next (it's one of a few I've narrowed it down to), and I noticed it was part of a franchise that included three Drakengard games and a previous Nier; any of them worth playing? It also got me wondering about if there's some good PS3 games I need to check out that I might've missed and/or that aren't available on the PS store.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #309

Postby Raxivace » Wed Jan 15, 2020 3:38 pm

Eva Yojimbo wrote:I don't care to watch the trailer as I'll be buying (eventually) regardless.

Hope I can get back to Souls today. It's been a rough couple of days trying to adjust to a new schedule I had to get on with one day's notice. Not helping that somehow I really hurt my lower back yesterday and am having trouble moving around.

BTW raxi, I was thinking of playing Nier: Automata next (it's one of a few I've narrowed it down to), and I noticed it was part of a franchise that included three Drakengard games and a previous Nier; any of them worth playing? It also got me wondering about if there's some good PS3 games I need to check out that I might've missed and/or that aren't available on the PS store.
What happened? Are you doing okay?

Anyways Nier 1 is worth playing and I actually liked it quite a bit better than Automata despite being less polished in some aspects (Nier 1 is very clearly a budget title). Automata features several characters from Nier 1 anyways in supporting roles, so if you plan on playing both you might as well do Automata second.

I've played a bit of Drakengard 1 and it seems interesting but much, much rougher around the edges in terms of basic gameplay than either of the Niers- I do plan on going back to it eventually but I've been distracted by newer stuff. I think technically Nier 1 branches off from an ending in Drakengard 1 but Nier 1 is perfectly followable without it. I also own Drakengards 2 and 3 but haven't touched them yet.

As for other PS3 games...most of the other ones I would have recommended I think have been ported at this point to PS4. Tales of Graces F was one I enjoyed a lot for its combat (Its story less so) that hasn't left that system yet. If you ever want to play Ico, the PS3 version is the one to go with. Beyond that there are the obvious games like Demon's Souls, MGS4, FF13 games that are exclusive etc.

EDIT: Oh, Deadly Premonition is on PS3 too! That's the best/worst Twin Peaks fanfiction ever written.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #310

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:35 am

Not entirely sure but I think I strained a back muscle working out. I was a little sore a few days ago, but woke up Tuesday and it was hard getting around. Worst pain I ever experienced actually happened several years ago when I went to my back porch to read, sat down in my chair, and (I think) slipped a disc. Sat there for a good 45 minutes in such excruciating pain it hurt to breathe. When I finally got up I only took a few steps before I passed out in the yard, in the mud and rain. Luckily my dad came out to help me up and in to bed, and for the next few days it was really difficult getting around to do anything (going to the bathroom was hard as hell). Luckily, this isn't nearly as bad (it's already much better today), but it seems like when you have back injuries like that they tend to sporadically recur.

Thanks for the info. I either know about or have those other titles. The fact that I missed Drakengard and the first Nier made me wonder if there were some other good PS3 titles that didn't get ports that I missed.

Anyway, I did play some more Souls last night, mostly exploring the Demon Ruins. Beat that Giant Centipede thing, though it was a bitch figuring out I had to lure him to another area to fight him at all. Then I got kinda lost exploring that room with all those giant jumping dinosaurs. Once I finally found the path out of there I fell through the floor into a complete different area and just Homeward Boned back to the bonfire and called it a night. So far I think this is my least favorite area in the game. It just seems huge and empty and there's a ton of running around to get almost nowhere.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #311

Postby Raxivace » Thu Jan 16, 2020 1:17 pm

Yeah Demon Ruins sucks and frankly you're not at the worst of it yet. You will soon come across what is usually considered the worst designed boss in the entire game- frankly I worry you'll throw your back again literally throwing your controller in frustration at your TV when you see what Bed of Chaos is like.

Anyways I hope you feel better.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #312

Postby Raxivace » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:57 pm

BTW should I just make a 2020 thread at this point?
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #313

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Fri Jan 17, 2020 2:47 am

^ Sure, why not?
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