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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #250

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Tue Sep 03, 2019 1:11 pm

I think I need to see this 80 year old video game Twitch streamer...

I did indeed spend most of yesterday just farming. Got enough souls to wield the BKH and, damn, that thing seems OP as hell. R1 is fast, R2 is usable, better reach than the BKS, and it does more damage. Only downsides are that R1 is a vertical attack (rather than horizontal) and if you miss there's a lengthy recovery time, but it still seems insanely strong. Not surprised speedrunners would use it. Upgraded I was two-shotting any stray hunters that didn't dive off the cliff. I'm gonna have fun using this thing for real today.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #251

Postby Raxivace » Tue Sep 03, 2019 3:50 pm

Bah never mind, looking him up again he's only 50. That's lame.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #252

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Sep 05, 2019 12:10 pm

Made pretty good progress over the last few days. Finished off Darkroot Garden by beating Sif (pretty tough considering it was nearly impossible to stay under him and that "double swing" he does always hits on the second time for a ton of damage); made it through Sen's Fortress, which had a really cool old-school dungeon crawl feel to it with all the traps, though the Iron Golem boss was pretty easy; explored a bit in Anor Londo but accidentally got sucked into the painting (LOL, WTF?) so I guess I'll be doing that next.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #253

Postby Raxivace » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:01 pm

Yeah the Sen's Fortress boss is pretty easy though that's kind of welcome after some of the trickier traps there.

I fell for the Painting too my first time through. Really reminded me Mario 64.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #254

Postby Raxivace » Thu Sep 05, 2019 8:30 pm

Jimbo with the announcement of Deadly Premonition 2 coming out next year, you should play Deadly Premonition 1.

It's basically Twin Peaks Fanfiction: The Video Game and the greatest bad but actually kind of good but still kind of bad but it doesn't even kind of matter video game ever made in history.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #255

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:19 pm

^ Well that's an intriguing recommendation. I'll add it to my PSN wishlist.

Anyway, made it through the Painted World yesterday. Really cool diversionary level. Harpies were a Phalanx, and that blobby/spear monster(s) thing was creepy AF. Boss was really interesting too. I figured out near the end of my first try that the idea was to watch the snow for her footprints so I managed to beat her on the second go. Guess I'll be back to Anor Londo today.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #256

Postby Raxivace » Fri Sep 06, 2019 7:34 pm

Supposedly Painted World was originally just a test level from the early stages of Dark Souls' development, however the dev team decided they liked it so much they figured out a way to work it into the final game. I have to say I'm glad they did, it's one of my favorites in Dark Souls.

Jimbo, I'm curious what you're thinking of the story/characters at this point. Like for example, when the Painted World boss started going on about the inhabitants of that world being peaceful and kind, what did you think of that?
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Postby Eva Yojimbo » Sat Sep 07, 2019 12:15 pm

Makes sense that it would've been a test level that they worked into the game given that it's literally another world you have to step into. Very cool either way.

So far I can't tell that there is much of a story or characters. Most all the story was contained in the opening cutscene and all the characters speak in cryptic-eese. As far as I can tell, a bunch of legendary warriors defeated some dragons and there's an age of fire, but the fire starts going out and people start turning undead. You're one of the undead on a quest to... I don't really know what--restore the fire that's going out or something? That would make sense of the bonfires and whatnot. I will say that the end of the Painted World level had me going: "are we the baddies?" I guess you could've ended the level without killing her, but it seemed like much less fun. :/
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #258

Postby Raxivace » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:09 am

Yeah the Painted World thing is weird because you still get attacked by all the enemies on sight except for the boss, who is the one that goes on about kindness and such. If they're trying to make you feel like the villain its a weird, kind muddled way to do that.

As far as the main story goes I think you're on the right track.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #259

Postby Raxivace » Mon Sep 09, 2019 6:21 am

Anyways even though the existence of literature is an abomination and an affront to the divine I've been reading Ian Fleming's Casino Royale lately.

There's a kind of interesting conversation in the book. I'll quote most of it here.

Ian Fleming's "Casino Royale" wrote:Bond looked away from Mathis. He studied his bandaged hands.

‘When I was being beaten up,’ he said, ‘I suddenly liked the idea of being alive. Before Le Chiffre began, he used a phrase which stuck in my mind . . . “playing Red Indians”. He said that’s what I had been doing. Well, I suddenly thought he might be right.

‘You see,’ he said, still looking down at his bandages, ‘when one’s young, it seems very easy to distinguish between right and wrong, but as one gets older it becomes more difficult. At school it’s easy to pick out one’s own villains and heroes and one grows up wanting to be a hero and kill the villains.’

He looked obstinately at Mathis.

‘Well, in the last few years I’ve killed two villains. The first was in New York—a Japanese cipher expert cracking our codes on the thirty-sixth floor of the RCA building in the Rockefeller centre, where the Japs had their consulate. I took a room on the fortieth floor of the next-door skyscraper and I could look across the street into his room and see him working. Then I got a colleague from our organization in New York and a couple of Remington thirty-thirty’s with telescopic sights and silencers. We smuggled them up to my room and sat for days waiting for our chance. He shot at the man a second before me. His job was only to blast a hole through the windows so that I could shoot the Jap through it. They have tough windows at the Rockefeller centre to keep the noise out. It worked very well. As I expected, his bullet got deflected by the glass and went God knows where. But I shot immediately after him, through the hole he had made. I got the Jap in the mouth as he turned to gape at the broken window.’

Bond smoked for a minute.

‘It was a pretty sound job. Nice and clean too. Three hundred yards away. No personal contact. The next time in Stockholm wasn’t so pretty. I had to kill a Norwegian who was doubling against us for the Germans. He’d managed to get two of our men captured—probably bumped off for all I know. For various reasons it had to be an absolutely silent job. I chose the bedroom of his flat and a knife. And, well, he just didn’t die very quickly.

‘For those two jobs I was awarded a Double O number in the Service. Felt pretty clever and got a reputation for being good and tough. A double O number in our Service means you’ve had to kill a chap in cold blood in the course of some job.

‘Now,’ he looked up again at Mathis, ‘that’s all very fine. The hero kills two villains, but when the hero Le Chiffre starts to kill the villain Bond and the villain Bond knows he isn’t a villain at all, you see the other side of the medal. The villains and heroes get all mixed up.

‘Of course,’ he added, as Mathis started to expostulate, ‘patriotism comes along and makes it seem fairly all right, but this country-right-or-wrong business is getting a little out-of-date. Today we are fighting Communism. Okay. If I’d been alive fifty years ago, the brand of Conservatism we have today would have been damn near called Communism and we should have been told to go and fight that. History is moving pretty quickly these days and the heroes and villains keep on changing parts.’

Mathis stared at him aghast. Then he tapped his head and put a calming hand on Bond’s arm.

‘You mean to say that this precious Le Chiffre who did his best to turn you into a eunuch doesn’t qualify as a villain?’ he asked. ‘Anyone would think from the rot you talk that he had been battering your head instead of your . . .’ He gestured down the bed. ‘You wait till M tells you to get after another Le Chiffre. I bet you’ll go after him all right. And what about smersh? I can tell you I don’t like the idea of these chaps running around France killing anyone they feel has been a traitor to their precious political system. You’re a bloody anarchist.’

He threw his arms in the air and let them fall helplessly to his sides.

Bond laughed.

‘All right,’ he said. ‘Take our friend Le Chiffre. It’s simple enough to say he was an evil man, at least it’s simple enough for me because he did evil things to me. If he was here now, I wouldn’t hesitate to kill him, but out of personal revenge and not, I’m afraid, for some high moral reason or for the sake of my country.’

He looked up at Mathis to see how bored he was getting with these introspective refinements of what, to Mathis, was a simple question of duty.

Mathis smiled back at him.

‘Continue, my dear friend. It is interesting for me to see this new Bond. Englishmen are so odd. They are like a nest of Chinese boxes. It takes a very long time to get to the centre of them. When one gets there the result is unrewarding, but the process is instructive and entertaining. Continue. Develop your arguments. There may be something I can use to my own chief the next time I want to get out of an unpleasant job.’ He grinned maliciously.

Bond ignored him.

‘Now in order to tell the difference between good and evil, we have manufactured two images representing the extremes—representing the deepest black and the purest white—and we call them God and the Devil. But in doing so we have cheated a bit. God is a clear image, you can see every hair on His beard. But the Devil. What does he look like?’ Bond looked triumphantly at Mathis.

Mathis laughed ironically.

‘A woman.’

‘It’s all very fine,’ said Bond, ‘but I’ve been thinking about these things and I’m wondering whose side I ought to be on. I’m getting very sorry for the Devil and his disciples such as the good Le Chiffre. The Devil has a rotten time and I always like to be on the side of the underdog. We don’t give the poor chap a chance. There’s a Good Book about goodness and how to be good and so forth, but there’s no Evil Book about evil and how to be bad. The Devil has no prophets to write his Ten Commandments and no team of authors to write his biography. His case has gone completely by default. We know nothing about him but a lot of fairy stories from our parents and schoolmasters. He has no book from which we can learn the nature of evil in all its forms, with parables about evil people, proverbs about evil people, folk-lore about evil people. All we have is the living example of the people who are least good, or our own intuition.

‘So,’ continued Bond, warming to his argument, ‘Le Chiffre was serving a wonderful purpose, a really vital purpose, perhaps the best and highest purpose of all. By his evil existence, which foolishly I have helped to destroy, he was creating a norm of badness by which, and by which alone, an opposite norm of goodness could exist. We were privileged, in our short knowledge of him, to see and estimate his wickedness and we emerge from the acquaintanceship better and more virtuous men.’

‘Bravo,’ said Mathis. ‘I’m proud of you. You ought to be tortured every day. I really must remember to do something evil this evening. I must start at once. I have a few marks in my favour—only small ones, alas,’ he added ruefully—‘but I shall work fast now that I have seen the light. What a splendid time I’m going to have. Now, let’s see, where shall I start, murder, arson, rape? But no, these are peccadilloes. I must really consult the good Marquis de Sade. I am a child, an absolute child in these matters.’

His face fell.

‘Ah, but our conscience, my dear Bond. What shall we do with him while we are committing some juicy sin? That is a problem. He is a crafty person this conscience and very old, as old as the first family of apes which gave birth to him. We must give that problem really careful thought or we shall spoil our enjoyment. Of course, we should murder him first, but he is a tough bird. It will be difficult, but if we succeed, we could be worse even than Le Chiffre.

‘For you, dear James, it is easy. You can start off by resigning. That was a brilliant thought of yours, a splendid start to your new career. And so simple. Everyone has the revolver of resignation in his pocket. All you’ve got to do is pull the trigger and you will have made a big hole in your country and your conscience at the same time. A murder and a suicide with one bullet! Splendid! What a difficult and glorious profession. As for me, I must start embracing the new cause at once.’

He looked at his watch.

‘Good. I’ve started already. I’m half an hour late for a meeting with the chief of police.’

He rose to his feet laughing.

‘That was most enjoyable, my dear James. You really ought to go on the halls. Now about that little problem of yours, this business of not knowing good men from bad men and villains from heroes, and so forth. It is, of course, a difficult problem in the abstract. The secret lies in personal experience, whether you’re a Chinaman or an Englishman.’

He paused at the door.

‘You admit that Le Chiffre did you personal evil and that you would kill him if he appeared in front of you now?

‘Well, when you get back to London you will find there are other Le Chiffres seeking to destroy you and your friends and your country. M will tell you about them. And now that you have seen a really evil man, you will know how evil they can be and you will go after them to destroy them in order to protect yourself and the people you love. You won’t wait to argue about it. You know what they look like now and what they can do to people. You may be a bit more choosy about the jobs you take on. You may want to be certain that the target really is black, but there are plenty of really black targets around. There’s still plenty for you to do. And you’ll do it. And when you fall in love and have a mistress or a wife and children to look after, it will seem all the easier.’

Mathis opened the door and stopped on the threshold.

‘Surround yourself with human beings, my dear James. They are easier to fight for than principles.’

He laughed. ‘But don’t let me down and become human yourself. We would lose such a wonderful machine.’

With a wave of the hand he shut the door.

‘Hey,’ shouted Bond.

But the footsteps went quickly off down the passage.


While most of the book before this is kind of what I expected a James Bond novel to be like, this whole section here doesn't feel line with the films at all (I can't remember the 2006 film adaptation super well but I don't remember that being quite like this either, and I know the 1954 and 1967 versions don't have sections like this). Bond is so...talkative, and openly philosophical even. I can't even imagine Connery or Moore or Craig or any of them saying most of this.

What it really reminds me of is Metal Gear Solid. Like it really seems more like the kind of conversation that I'd expect Solid Snake to have with someone, or perhaps Naked Snake from Metal Gear Solid 3 (Especially since that one is most explicitly a Bond homage more than any other MGS game). I always figured Kojima was most influenced by the Bond movies, but now I wonder if he wasn't so nerdy that he went back to Fleming's books too.

Like the stuff about the Conservatism of today seeming like it would be Communism 50 years ago seems pretty close to stuff Hideo actually wrote in games like MGS3.

Anyways this all just struck me as really surprising.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #260

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Mon Sep 09, 2019 2:54 pm

^ Pretty cool excerpt. Even back when I was really into James Bond (when I was like 12) I never bothered to check out the Fleming novels. That does have a very MGS-vibe to it. Of course, Bond was wrong that The Devil had no book; William Blake would've said that John Milton wrote it (Paradise Lost), and Blake's own work was just annotations on it; the main idea being that "God" is whatever society has built and "The Devil" is the primal forces within man that threaten that order through chaos (mostly in the form of emotions). Of course, because these are abstractions they fit equally well with every society and every opposing force, which makes sense of the old "everybody is the hero of their own story, including the villains of yours."

Anyway, as for Dark Souls, I finished Anor Londo. Bosses seemed far too easy after I summoned the AI help. I think I might just skip doing that the rest o the game as it basically took the challenge completely out of the fatso/slim duo. More interesting was when I invaded the realm of the baddie that killed the Firelink flame keeper; taking on him and two cronies at once was more of a challenge, but thankfully the arena was large enough that I could maneuver and take them out one at a time with a little effort. I visited The Hollow, but, man, what a twisted maze. I'm sure there's tons of goodies in there I missed, but I couldn't be bothered with making all these ridiculous jumps just to repeatedly die. I also visited Ash Lake just enough to beat the second Hydra; much better designed this time around since the beach essentially marked the point where you'd fall to your death by going much further.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #261

Postby Raxivace » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:53 pm

Haha, I figured you have something to say about the stuff with the Devil.

Anyways having finished it yesterday I would recommend this first Fleming novel. It's pretty interesting how low-key it is compared to the Bond movies- most of it is spent on either Bond playing card games or moping around his hotel room. In some ways it feels more akin to detective novels starring Sam Spade or Phillip Marlowe, which perhaps explains both why Raymond Chandler seemed to like this and why the 1954 tv film adaptation feels more like film noir (It even has Peter Lorre playing Le Chiffre! Barry Nelson of all people playing Bond as an American is pretty wtf though). Bond also seems very consciously written as a flawed character (For example, his misogynistic bent is pretty much the reason he misses what Vesper Lynd is actually doing the whole novel) which is interesting.

As far as Dark Souls goes, yeah the AI helps, especially against Biggie and Smalls. The journey to save the Firelink keeper is pretty fun, though on replay you can prevent the flame keeper's death altogether by killing Lautrec early. I like to aggro him at Firelink Shrine and then just kick him off the ledge.

I'll be curious to see what you think of the second half of the game. Other than the DLC which is great, I think there's a noticeable drop in quality in the game after you beat Pikachu and Snorlax.

I was tempted to also call the bosses Franz and Reinhold since I'm a little over halfway through Berlin Alexanderplatz now but seriously fuck Reinhold and you know what? Fuck Meck too.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #262

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:20 pm

I've heard before that the Fleming novels were quite different than the films, but that's not terribly unusual for book-to-film adaptations.

I haven't had any chance to play more Souls the last several days, mostly a combination of watching football with my dad and then there was the concert on Sunday from which I think I'm still recovering! It's only stuff like that that tends to remind me I'm getting older! It'll be a shame if the second half isn't as good as I've really enjoyed the first half so far, especially the atmosphere and level/boss designs.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #263

Postby Raxivace » Thu Sep 12, 2019 7:03 am

What I'm getting out of this is that you would have played more Dark Souls instead if one of the NPC's of the game was one of these pop stars you're into.

Let's be honest, Dark Souls would be a better game with a pop star character.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #264

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Sep 12, 2019 2:32 pm

Raxivace wrote:What I'm getting out of this is that you would have played more Dark Souls instead if one of the NPC's of the game was one of these pop stars you're into.

Let's be honest, Dark Souls would be a better game with a pop star character.
Heh, concert wasn't a pop concert! But, yes, everything is better with pop star characters. Really, football has been taking up much more of my time... there's just too many games to watch and I hate missing any in case there's a good one!
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #265

Postby Eva Yojimbo » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:45 pm

So, uhhh, happy Video Games day, I guess... apparently that's a thing, and it's September 12th.
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Re: Rax/Maz/Jimbo 2019 Video Game Thread Specatular Spectacular   Reply #266

Postby Raxivace » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:55 am

Huh, it seems I missed out on Video Games Day, the day of video games. I still need to beat GoldenEye and then move onto Spider-Man.
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